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Put a poppy on my empty grave.
Today we were marched into the Shirley Hall for a remembrance service. Old people proudly sporting glistening medals and solemn faces filled up the rows. A mini orchestra played Mozart in resplendent sobriety and everyone had been told to buy a paper flower. A hush fell round with instinctive silence and respect.

The whole thing was a rather disgusting affair. It reminded me of the scene in Apocalypse Now where all the soldiers have a service and pray as if theirs sins could be instantly absolved. They want forgiveness but won't stop to think from what.

| thou shalt not kill |

The army section stomped in headed by the beaming Beadle. They were the last people who should have attended. What the fuck is a death squad doing in a place where we remember those who died needlessly at their hands? They all ponced about doing fancy wheels in their bleached suits and swinging Union Flags around the place. I hated them all.

All armed forced are shits. In order to fight effectively, they are desensitised and brainwashed to the point of dogmatic nationalist fervour. They all say people died for us. Most of them died for no one and for nothing. Most of them were fucking bloodthirsty morons anyway. Since when did territory and nationality come before moral propriety?

And so I sat there throughout it all. Feeling a cold chill run down my back as the choir heartily sung the haunting harmonies of I Vow To Thee, My Country. And then, the booming echoes of the National Anthem shamefully shook round the hall. The people there all believed every word unaware of what it all meant.

"Lord God our Father,
we pledge ourselves
to serve you and all mankind,
in the cause of peace."

| for Queen and country |

War is a horrible, horrible thing. It wrenched at my guts to see all these people spelling out the future of humanity. What a bleak picture it is. Greed and prejudice reign victorious while united we all fall together.

    mood: hatred
    choon: Silverchair - Cemetery
Comments
From:massy [.]
Posted: Sunday 10th November, 2002 at 12:13.15
 
"All armed forced are shits. In order to fight effectively, they are desensitised and brainwashed to the point of dogmatic nationalist fervour. They all say people died for us. Most of them died for no one and for nothing. Most of them were fucking bloodthirsty morons anyway. Since when did territory and nationality come before moral propriety?"

Fucking bullshit, attributing to malice what can far more easily be attributed to stupidity. Perhaps some brainwashed into bloodlusting morons. Perhaps some felt they were protecting their home, perhaps some were drafted, perhaps some needed the money, perhaps some felt they were actually fighting for something worth fighting for.

Tell me you wouldn't have fought the Nazis.

From:turkeyphant [.]
Posted: Sunday 10th November, 2002 at 15:05.02
 
"Fucking bullshit, attributing to malice what can far more easily be attributed to stupidity."

By "all", you know I mean "the vast majority of". Have you even talked to a GI of any nationality? Seen interviews with nuclear sub captains, tank commanders, or carrier lackies? Don't you even remember the times we spend on RAF air bases? They pretend to be all PC and nicely humanitarian, but really, the quicker they can kill some towel heads/Krauts, the better. You say they are professionals - if professionalism requires dogmatic patriotism and desensitised souls, i don't want any part of it. They have their job, but all they want is bloodshed.

We're currently not "at war". We shouldn't have an enemies to demonise. Making the guys you're fighting again, who are in a similar position to you, seem like monsters only causes tragedies like My Lai. War crimes are bad - we don't want random dudes to take matters into their own hands. Hell, it's even happened enough with the strictly disciplined special forces.

Sure, the kids in the Army section at school are decent enough people (even though the Beadle is not), but they represent guys up and down the country with sickening views. A military presence at a remembrance service is more inappropriate than me getting up and singing Repeat during the two minutes' silence. Many, many people in the armed forces are simply bigoted morons.

Maybe they didn't sign up to put bullets into other humans, but they sure as hell will. The military environment is appalling. Strict heirarchies and such are only bearable for those who favour a dictatorship. Sure the army can't be run by PR, but what would you do under the command of some shit-for-brains general likely to get you killed who just won't listen? There's much more room for legitimate equality and a say in the last few moments of your life. Wars may not be avoidable, but I'd prefer to be defeated than undermine everything the liberty i fight for means.

"Tell me you wouldn't have fought the Nazis."
I wouldn't have. Certainly not on the battlefield. I don't want to take the life of anyone. Even if the foe is utterly diabolical, they are important moral aspects involved in communications, manufacturing and other parts of the battle effort in a warring country.
From:massy [.]
Posted: Sunday 10th November, 2002 at 15:22.51
 
"By "all", you know I mean "the vast majority of". Have you even talked to a GI of any nationality? Seen interviews with nuclear sub captains, tank commanders, or carrier lackies? Don't you even remember the times we spend on RAF air bases? They pretend to be all PC and nicely humanitarian, but really, the quicker they can kill some towel heads/Krauts, the better. You say they are professionals - if professionalism requires dogmatic patriotism and desensitised souls, i don't want any part of it. They have their job, but all they want is bloodshed."

I wasn't trying to justify the mind numbing jingoism of much of the armed forces, I call them professionals to differentiate them from the poor bastard who gets drafted during wartime or signs up to pay his way through university.

"I wouldn't have. Certainly not on the battlefield. I don't want to take the life of anyone. Even if the foe is utterly diabolical, they are important moral aspects involved in communications, manufacturing and other parts of the battle effort in a warring country."

Guess it depends how strongly you believe in whatever cause you may be fighting for.

From:turkeyphant [.]
Posted: Monday 11th November, 2002 at 00:16.50
 
"I wasn't trying to justify the mind numbing jingoism of much of the armed forces, I call them professionals to differentiate them from the poor bastard who gets drafted during wartime or signs up to pay his way through university."
Aren't we allowed to protest? Dodging the draft can't be that hard, and there are much more acceptable ways to raise some cash for a few years of drunkenness.

"Guess it depends how strongly you believe in whatever cause you may be fighting for."
Or how much you are able to withdraw yourself from the fact you may well cause the death of many human beings who have families and friends and might not have even wanted to be there in the first place.
From:massy [.]
Posted: Wednesday 19th March, 2003 at 17:05.24
 
"Or how much you are able to withdraw yourself from the fact you may well cause the death of many human beings who have families and friends and might not have even wanted to be there in the first place."

So you're perfectly happy to put through the orders to kill, or make the shells that kill, in "communications, manufacturing and other parts of the battle effort in a warring country" yet not to get your hands dirty, so to speak. That's just pant-wetting as opposed to any kind of moral stand.
From:turkeyphant [.]
Posted: Thursday 20th March, 2003 at 13:39.14
 Nice one.
Erm, that's exactly what I was saying... I clearly stated that equally serious moral implications would be incurred by involving oneself in such endeavours.

But then, how many people do I "kill" each day through inaction and greed?
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